Wednesday, September 21, 2022

Hal Raven, Saratoga and Corinth Railroad

 https://www.glensfallschronicle.com/hal-raven-train-maven-now-operates-one-of-his-own/?fbclid=IwAR2r0FZZYsiHOLGbS_HwpIKEu14E7NEhOMmWJ7Yk_7LPgI0bdGeJmHhk1Q0

Sunday, June 26, 2022

The Marion River Carry Railroad

The Marion River Carry Railroad

The Marion River Carry Railroad was created around 1900 by William West Durant to shuttle steamboat passengers between rapids in the Marion River.  A steamboat from Raquette Lake would sail to the mouth of the Marion River, where passengers would exit the boat, take a train ride less than a mile and then board another boat that continued through Utowanna, Eagle and eventually Blue Mountain Lakes.   Freight was also shuttled between points and made this an interesting little operation. 

 This blog entry was originally helped by Samual Berliner III.  I had a link to his webpage where he had an excellent history of the railroad, but he has since passed.  A very nice guy with a great family history.  Gino 6/26/2022

(MAP: S. Berliner, III)

Here is a wonderful map re-created by S. Berliner, III.  This gentleman visited the area when he was a youngster in the 1940's and discovered the abandoned train in it's former engine shed. Sam passed away on December 29th, 2020.


Here is the area covered by the above map.
 (MAP: USGS Historic Topos)


Here is Engine Number 2 built by The HK Porter Co. crossing the one trestle on the Line.  This was the final piece of motive-power used on the line and lasted until abandonment in 1929.
Visit and join the Raquette Lake Railroad Yahoo Group to learn about the railroad operations between Raquette and Blue Mountain Lakes.  There are powerpoint history lessons and you can discuss Adirondack Railroads with other interested parties.


A postcard view of the re-purposed, Brooklyn Rapid Transit coaches on the railroad.  Although she was one of the shortest railroads in the US at 7/8 ths of a mile, she was standard-gauge to accommodate the freight cars being moved from Raquette to Blue Mountain Lakes.


The dock  for The Lower Carry's loading and unloading. Photo is from 1911.
(Postcard: Raquette Lake Railroad Yahoo Group)



More Images from the Lower Carry.  Notice the flat car on the left and the cars on the dock.  One of them is an open-car that we see in most photos, but the other appears to be a closed car NOT like we are used to seeing.

These two photos are from page 232 of "Annual report of the Forest, Fish and Game Commission of the State of New York" (Courtesy of The  Smithsonian Library)



From page 232 of "Annual report of the Forest, Fish and Game Commission of the State of New York" (1900) Smithsonian Library.


A hopper of coal being moved on a barge on Raquette Lake on her way to Blue Mountain Lake.  Legend has it that a freight car rolled off a barge and rests at the bottom of Blue Mountain Lake.


Great shot of Porter Number 2 sporting a smokestack extender.  This was used to provide more power for the locomotive.  (Photo:  Richard Palmer Collection)


A great postcard showing a full Three-car-train on the railroad.  Parts of all three of these cars were used to construct the car on display at the Adirondack Museum in Blue Mountain Lake.


An excellent photo of our train in action.  At first a canal was discussed for moving boats between the points on the Carry.  A short-railroad was the most economical.


One of the steamers at the transfer dock at The Lower Carry.  You can see the engineer waiting in the saddle-tank engine for patrons to exit the steam-boat and climb about his train.


The caption reads: The Rickety Rackety Rail Road. Raquette Lake Carry.  After a year of operation, the Raquette Lake Transportation Company took over the operations of the Carry Railroad.


The Marion Carry Railroad was never a narrow-gauge line, but it is a neat postcard of the Upper Carry.
(Photo Courtesy of Harry Rado)


A Lower Carry postcard that I've never seen!
(Photo Courtesy of Harry Rado)



A canoe trail occupies the former right-of-way.  Much like the issue facing travelers 100 years ago, modern-day canoeists and kayakers carry their mode of transportation between the un-navigable section of the Marion River.(Photo: Doug Ellison)


Another view of the former-line today with The Marion River paralleling.
(PHOTO: Doug Ellison)


A tie from the Carry-railroad sits in the former road-bed.  (PHOTO: Doug Ellison)


Remains of either a barge from the operation, or of the dock at the Utowanna Lake connection.
(PHOTO: Doug Ellison)


Here is a photo of S. Berliner. III's family posing at the abandoned engine shed.  This building could hold the Porter locomotive and her three passenger cars.  Calling it an 'engine' shed was short-sighted!  This building was located on the Raquette Lake end of the line. (PHOTO: S. Berliner, III)


A postcard showing restored Number 2 at the Blue Mountain Lake Museum.  The engine and her passenger cars sat in it's former Engine (train) house on the Marion River for several decades before moving to the Adirondack Museum at Blue Mountain Lake.



Appendix Q Report of Supervisor of Equipment 

INSPECTION OF THE MARION RIVER CARRY RAILWAY

To the Public Service Commission Second District Gentlemen In accordance with your instructions of July 12, 1909 I have made an inspection of the Marion River Carry railway which makes the connection between Raquette and Blue Mountain lakes. 

This inspection was made in accordance with request made by the Forest Fish and Game Commission July 9, 1909 The following is a description of the railroad and other essential details. 

The inspection was made August 6, 1909 The owner and operating company is the Raquette Lake Transportation Company with offices at Raquette Lake, NY. The gauge is 4 ft 8 1/2 in and road is seven eighths mile long Connection is made between two points on the Marion river through which navigation is impossible By this method transportation is possible between Raquette lake and Blue Mountain lake A private right of way 200 ft in width is used and is laid with steel rails weighing 60 lbs per yard Ties are spaced about 24 in and roadbed is well ballasted with gravel The Blue Mountain terminal is 25 ft higher than the Raquette Lake terminal The railroad is nearly a continuous curve with three or four short tangents No highway grade or private crossings exist There is 1 timber trestle about 10 ft in length located about one fourth mile from the Raquette Lake terminal Rails ties roadbed and bridge are in good condition for the light equipment and speed of trains 5 minutes being used in running the seven eighths mile. 

The equipment consists of 1 Porter tank locomotive and 3 light open street cars for passenger traffic The locomotive is of the tank type and anthracite coal is used was built in 1001 by HK Porter & Co weighs 15 tons all on drivers no trucks or tender boiler steam pressure 140 lbs per sq in cylinders 1 1 in diameter by 16 in stroke air and steam brakes on all wheels link and pin coupler is used the condition is good throughout except spark arrester which is in exceptionally bad condition. 

Light open cars formerly used as street horse cars are used for passenger traffic and are numbered 1 2 and 3 Nos. 1 and 2 have 10 horizontal reversible seats with a seating capacity of about 40 persons No 3 is equipped with camp stools a number of which are in poor condition and generally unsafe two pairs of wheels to each car Nos. 1 and 2 have journal box pedestals attached to side sills of car No 3 has a metal truck frame cars are equipped with hand brakes and metal brake beams of the usual type used in street car service link and pin couplers are used bell signals on each car cars are protected with side rails which are placed in position by train crew before train is in motion all trips are made in daylight and no lighting equipment is furnished Cars are freshly painted and clean and while the equipment is old it is safe for the operating conditions with the exception of camp stools in car No 3 and these in my opinion should be removed and the type of seat used in cars Nos 1 and 2 substituted. 

The season usually opens May 5th and is closed November 10th. Passenger traffic  consists largely of excursionists from Raquette lake to Blue Mountain lake. Freight traffic consists largely of parcel freight A freight float is in operation on Raquette lake and Blue Mountain lake and by this method loaded cars are received from the Raquette Lake railroad and transported by means of freight floats and the Marion River Carry railway to all lake points lumber coal and other bulk freight is handled in this manner. Each year between 50 and 60 cars of freight are handled. This railroad passes in close proximity to heavy forest lands There are no repair facilities close at hand and gross carelessness and ignorance were manifested in the maintenance of spark arrester of locomotive. There was no indication of any fires having occurred along the right of way I believe that this railroad should be included in the order for use of oil for steam generation in its locomotive. 

Link and pin couplers are used throughout. On the passenger cars there does not seem to be any particular danger to employees as cars remain coupled and cars are so light they can be pushed against locomotive by one man to make coupling. On the locomotive the condition is different locomotive being backed on to lake floats to handle heavily loaded freight cars the liability of injury to employees is considerable and I believe the locomotive should be equipped with automatic couplers. Recommendations That camp stools in passenger car No 3 be removed and replaced with stationary seats that locomotive be equipped with automatic couplers that spark arresters in locomotive be put in good condition at once and so maintained. 


Respectfully submitted A Buchanan Jr. Supervisor of Equipment 



Sunday, January 3, 2021

From Trains Magazine

Three preserved and operational Alco locomotives were gathered for a photo session on Dec. 6.
John Sesonske

GREENWICH JUNCTION, N.Y. — A group of railfans gathered three preserved and operational Alco locomotives for a night photo at Greenwich Junction on Dec. 6, 2020, and are also seeking to promote an effort to preserve a former Alco plant switcher. 

Photographed at Greenwich Junction, where the Greenwich & Johnsonville Railroad interchanged with the Delaware & Hudson, are Batten Kill Railroad No. 4116, an RS-3 originally built for the D&H, in a 1970s-er Greenwich & Johnsonville paint scheme; RCPX No. 3021, a former Army and Staten Island Transit unit, wearing the scheme S2 locomotives wore when on the D&H, and Southern New England Railroad No. 5012, a former Atlantic & Danville RS-36 in a D&H scheme with Southern New England lettering. The three models, representing types that all operated at the location, also feature the three types of Alco prime movers, the 539, 244, and 251 engines.

Efforts are under way to preserve former Alco plant switcher No. 5, now owned by Raven Rail.
John Sesonske
Raven Rail, which owns No. 3021, also owns Alco S1 No. 5, a former plant switcher at the Alco Schenectady, N.Y., plant, which is the subject of a preservation effort. The locomotive was subsequently used by GE at the site when GE used the former Alco plant. Under private ownership, the diesel also spent time at the Strasburg Rail Road, and on a number of short lines and tourist operations including the Adirondack Centennial, Upper Hudson River, and Saratoga & North Creek railroads. The locomotive’s future was at risk following the bankruptcy of the Saratoga & North Creek and other Iowa Pacific operations, but was rescued by Raven Rail. Information on preservation efforts are available at this Facebook page; donations to a restoration GoFundMe effort can be made here.

Monday, December 21, 2020

Moving Adirondack RSC2, 25

https://youtu.be/kzk4cXjauls

I don’t know the whole story about moving this engine from the Utica Children’s  Museum, but it IS returning to the Adirondacks which is a great thing!

Monday, December 14, 2020

Save Adirondack Railway #25... Visit their Facebook Page

The Remsen Depot in Remsen, New York will be the future home of former Adirondack Railway Corporation 25 Alco RSC2. It will join a few pieces of equipment, including former New York Central Railroad Caboose 19059, which was built in 1915 and moved to the site in 2005.

The depot building is a completely new structure, built on the site of the previous station. The Remsen Development Corporation organized donations and work for construction, and it was completed in 1999. Today it serves various community functions, as well as being a stop on the Adirondack Railroad. 

To donate to our Go Fund Me:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-the-adirondack-25

To get a great magnet or print of Andy Fletcher Custom Trains' drawing of 25 go to www.customtrains.org. Andy has generously donated 25% of these sales to help move and preserve the engine.

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Photo Credit: Marc Glucksman/River Rail Photo